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Post by helenhuntrocks on Mar 6, 2009 6:40:19 GMT -5
I wish that I could gush about this episode like Claire but I found Carter's scenes with the documentary team forced and unnatural. It seemed like he was just rehashing the same emotions from other seasons.
In terms of feeling in his eyes, I liked his expressions in Midnight much better. He seemed way more believable to me there.
As for Carter and Kem, I don't know what to make of his statement that he left things "kind of vague".
I think that a divorce is on order here, but instead of just coming out and doing that the show is lingering here.
I love Carter and ER so I've read a few things over the years, and I thought that I read that Newton's agent was opposed to her doing this project because it was TV and presumably less controlled as to the character's development.
I think that returning for a 30 sec divorce arc is dumb on her part. It doesn't do anything for her career to make her a side note. So, she should have listened to her agent.
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Post by exerfan on Mar 6, 2009 7:39:28 GMT -5
"I love Carter and ER so I've read a few things over the years, and I thought that I read that "I think that returning for a 30 sec divorce arc is dumb on her part. It doesn't do anything for her career to make her a side note. So, she should have listened to her agent."
Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. I think that Newton makes a lot of stupid career moves and this is just one more of them.
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Post by Raffy on Mar 6, 2009 8:21:03 GMT -5
Sorry, but I can't understand all this agitation about Kem's character. He did say that she didn't know about his kidney failure, so I think she hasn't to be blamed for not being with him. That's tiplically Carter. Probably he pushed her away to protect her. We still don't know how this story will play out, so I think all those complains are premature.
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Post by Raffy on Mar 6, 2009 12:14:23 GMT -5
I saw it! I like all the Carter's stuff. I could have lived without the Sam and his mother storyline. And Jerry and Frank were funny but the story run on too long. I felt for Brenner. And I really can't understand why Neela acted this way. Totally selfish. Morris is the best. After Carter, of course A good episode and it had more Carter than I expected. And that's always a bonus. I like how Carter is reacting and I love that he's not making all about himself.
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Post by janet on Mar 6, 2009 12:15:56 GMT -5
It isn't Frank, or Jerry who are "quintessential", it's Carter ! I loved that scene with the two desk clerks and also them and Hale saying goodbye when Carter went off in the ambulance. The oldies are the heart and soul of the old ER, the ER I loved.
As for the two interviews. Well, the first one did seem forced, but I thought that was on purpose to contrast with the second interview when Carter is sick. I cried at his enigmatic smile and his quizical look. Noah has this ability to melt your heart and tug at the heatstrrings. The epi was worth it for that scene alone.
Yes the "documentary" was just a lame reprease of the great Ambush episode ( in Series 4?) and it was better then, but lets be grateful for small mercies, or rather, the big mercy of having Carter, at least.
I'm not speculating re Kem. I think they have probably had to create the story around Thandie Newton not being prepared to give much time to the show, which is a shame, but, as Raffy said, we shall see.
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Post by Raffy on Mar 6, 2009 12:24:47 GMT -5
Well, Noah plaied the part like Carter was uncomfortable. So I agree it was on purpose. Ratings Freshman CBS drama Eleventh Hour and NBC’s soon-to-conclude ER shared leadership at 10 p.m. as follows: Thursday 10 p.m. Eleventh Hour (CBS) Viewers: 12.15 million (#1), A18-49: 3.0/ 8 (#2) ER (NBC) Viewers: 8.79 million (#2), A18-49: 3.5/10 (#1)
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Post by bpentecost on Mar 6, 2009 12:52:28 GMT -5
I thought the eposide was very good. Carter and those eyes of his melt my heart everytime. Yeah i thought Morris was great when he told that med student off. My heart just about stopped when they had to shock him. But i still believe that he will not die.
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Post by claired80 on Mar 6, 2009 14:10:49 GMT -5
It isn't Frank, or Jerry who are "quintessential", it's Carter ! I loved that scene with the two desk clerks and also them and Hale saying goodbye when Carter went off in the ambulance. The oldies are the heart and soul of the old ER, the ER I loved. Totally agree on that! And Carter's face when the camera was slowly getting from the janitor to him, priceless! I liked Jerry's looking really concerned, asking Carter if he's gonna see him soon. That was cute. A bit goofy, sounding almost like "you won't die, will you?"... but still cute. By the way, I've read somewhere that Carter's answer "not if I see you first" is from lyrics of a song or something.. I don't know it. I'll have to check it out! Anyone knows it? Upon rewatching, I feel like the interviews were as much about the characters as about the actors themselves. When Carter cracks that smile with saying "that sounds pretentious?", his nose move is typical Noah I think... I've seen him done that in interviews, and not really while playing Carter. And the fact that the actors were looking straight at us, which never happens normally, made it look like there weren't totally in character anymore.
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Post by andie13rn on Mar 6, 2009 15:13:32 GMT -5
wow, I guess that's one of the best ER ratings in quite a long time Well, Noah plaied the part like Carter was uncomfortable. So I agree it was on purpose. Ratings Freshman CBS drama Eleventh Hour and NBC’s soon-to-conclude ER shared leadership at 10 p.m. as follows: Thursday 10 p.m. Eleventh Hour (CBS) Viewers: 12.15 million (#1), A18-49: 3.0/ 8 (#2) ER (NBC) Viewers: 8.79 million (#2), A18-49: 3.5/10 (#1)
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Post by jinterfan on Mar 6, 2009 23:05:43 GMT -5
Is it just me but does anybody else think Noah brings a whole new dimension to the character just from these last couple of episodes? I have to be honest that I haven't been much of an avid watcher since his departure, but since his return, I have been hit by a sense of nostalgia. I think Noah has the incredible ability to assume so much emotions from his looks, his tone and just from the way that he carries himself.
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Post by Raffy on Mar 7, 2009 1:58:27 GMT -5
After 15 year it wouldn't be possible, but I agree this Carter is different from the one who left 3 years ago. It always Carter but "evolved"...in a good way. And Noah is playing it very well. I think it has to do with the scrip but with the acting too. Just look at his sardonic smile quickly followed by the really serious and mysterious gaze at the end of "What We Do". It was almost disquieting!
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Post by claired80 on Mar 7, 2009 2:58:14 GMT -5
Is it just me but does anybody else think Noah brings a whole new dimension to the character just from these last couple of episodes? He does! In any scene, he brings in a subtle manner that Carter is fully grown up, even more than grown up, if I dare to say, he is "old". Not in the bad sense of the term, but he has seen and lived more than many people would live in a lifetime. He said something along that line to Banfield, that he has "seen more loop than anyone should see in a lifetime". He has the experience of a 80 year old, and almost the failing body of a 80 year old too. And I think Noah brings that in his eyes, in how Carter looks at things. A bit on another topic: among his talents, I think Noah can play sick and in pain better than any actor I can think of! In two times having played a patient in bad shape now on ER, I really think he's been the 'best' patient ever on the show. (Ray Liotta comes close after in my mind... that was one episode without Carter that I still liked! must mean something ). Something bothers me a bit though with Carter being sick: with this episode (and from previews for the next), he keeps on having an oxygen cannula in his nose, and I'm fed up with that already! It hides a part of his face!! and it distracts me when it's not all straight and symmetrical or when it's too squeezed and deforms his cheeks. Let us see his full face! I'll be happy when Carter is healthy again .
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Post by Raffy on Mar 7, 2009 3:48:27 GMT -5
I so agree. You said it the best. As for this I think tha last episode is going really to satisfy your whishes. He looks fantastic in that suit Kem you're an indiot if you leave this man! Ok, I said that
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Post by Raffy on Mar 7, 2009 4:09:46 GMT -5
It's not the best one but it surely one of the best ones
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Post by claired80 on Mar 7, 2009 8:01:13 GMT -5
Totally random: I noticed on the pictures at the Santa Barbara Festival that Noah had a scar on his forehead (which wasn't there on previous public photos), and it's to see in "What we do" (especially in HD), covered with make-up, but still a bit to see! That looks like something that may have required stitches. I wonder if maybe he hurt himself while shooting the collapsing scene? But he has it throughout the whole episode, so maybe it's rather something he did elsewhere. And they seem to be on a very tight schedule for shooting those last episodes, shooting sometimes just two weeks before the episode airs! That may have been a panic moment for the production when Noah showed up at work with a cut in his forehead! It's funny to think that one actor getting sick or a bit injured could screw their all schedule.
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