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May 7, 2009 2:51:51 GMT -5
Post by Raffy on May 7, 2009 2:51:51 GMT -5
I liked this scene and I didn't dislike Lucy but I agree with Noah, it would be totally unethical for Carter to sleep with his student. I didn't like when other doctors did the same: Doug, Abby..... I've to say that after Anna, a young but mature woman, I found strange that Carter was attracted to someone like Lucy, who really acted and looked like a teenager girl more than a woman. I can see why Wells wanted to play this card and satisfy the really young audience even if to detriment of Cater's character but I'm glad Noah could stop the thing just in time....even if he had to accept this compromise. Did you notice that it was Lucy who kissed him first? Should we open a new thread about Carter's relationships?
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May 7, 2009 10:15:49 GMT -5
Post by spaceyume on May 7, 2009 10:15:49 GMT -5
Should we open a new thread about Carter's relationships? It's really a special topic that we can never get rid of. I had a mixed feeling about Carter's romantic relationships. Honestly although Kem is OK (well, not so much in the finale...), but most relationships of our poor baby are much worse than it should be. (I'm sorry but I really couldn't stop wondering...what the hell? ??Sorry again...) Make no sense TOP 1 Abby Lockhart.(I'm sincerely sorry if there's any Carby fan.) The main problem is: Why even feel attracted to a woman like Abby Lockhart when you are John Carter? I thought I know our boy, but not in this relationship. They are from different planet, had nothing in common in their soul...(they're almost the opposite to the word "soul-mates") I've no problem with Abby when she's with Luka, but she really pissed me off by treating Carter like a safety back-up. Does anyone feel the same way that Abby wasn't in LOVE with Carter at all?(even during the sweetest time of their relationship) She just wanted to be with someone as sweet and nice as Carter but she didn't actually LOVE HIM. Sadly I feel Carter really loved the woman for some unknown reason. Let me end this paragraph by recalling this scene: Season10, Carter got back from Africa, kind of tried to make up their relationship. He talked to Abby Lockhart about his life-changing experience in Africa. But she went "Your mouth is moving, but I have no idea what you're thinking."(Of course you can't cause you don't WANT TO.) Carter:"I was trying to tell you about Africa."(That's our boy )Then Abby jumped to:"You knew I didn't want you to go and you went anyway." (...who wrote this line? Carter, RUN...) Other weird relationships I can't stand are: The ALWAYS-TRY-TO-SELL-YOU-SOMETHING girl in season5, the I'll-SEND-YOU-A-POST-CARD old woman in season6, the SOON-TO-BE-20-YEAR-OLD-IN-SEPTEMBER girl in maybe season7? For heaven's sake why even felt attracted to them. Can someone explain it to me please...Why? Maybe because Carter had a heart so big that he would love every human being on earth. But I'd rather think this way, for some reason the writers didn't want him to settle down and they thought our guy was so charming in a romantic relationship so they couldn't help making one after another to try different type of women. Sorry for the dark post. But one good thing I have to admit. That is, Carter was so adorable when he fell in love!! (He's always adorable but when he had a girlfriend, he became 100 times cuter than the woman right beside him) You must remember everything! (I mean the way he smiled, kissed...)It was really beautiful even with the wrong woman...
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May 7, 2009 10:42:47 GMT -5
Post by darksparrow on May 7, 2009 10:42:47 GMT -5
Oh hell, I'll bite... there's nothing I love more than discussing Carter's love life. Anyway, the type of guy Carter is- always seeking companionship, always seeking understanding, makes it reasonable that he wouldn't like being single. I love his comment to Lucy, about how he's never had a lasting relationship, and her analysis that his parents completely shut him out and gave him a twisted idea of how relationships should be. And I can see the reason behind most of the women he was in a relationship with. If we go one by one, we have: - horny STD girl in season 1- well, he's a medical student, he's allowed to do stupid things... - Harper Tracy in season 2- Wow, that girl was annoying. I honestly can't see it as anything more than giving the audience SOME Carter lurve scenes, because it's obviously expected of the writers, but yeah... not a good match. - season three... wait, he didn't have anyone in season 3, did he? Oh yes, Abby Keaton. I don't know what that was supposed to mean, other than establishing that he likes em a little older... - season four it's ALMOST Anna... who is by far my favorite Carter girl. Even though it never really happened. - season five has Roxanne... a.k.a ALWAYS-TRY-TO-SELL-YOU-SOMETHING girl... and that relationship was just as meaningless as Harper and the STD girl. And of course Lucy. I wonder if Noah's problem with that storyline was really because he thought it was unethical for Carter to sleep with a student (because Carter has such a history of being ethical when it comes to his love life... sleeping with a patient in season 1, sneaking off during his shift to party with Harper, sleeping with his boss in season 3...) or because there were problems between Noah and Kelly Martin. I always wonder about that when I watch their scenes together because as good as they are, something is really off there. - season 6... What was the breast cancer lady woman's name? Eileen? Something like that? Well it fit better than Roxanne, because we know Carter's into older women and into blondes... And he was completely devoted and sweet to her *sigh* - season 7 we had Rena, the not-yet-20, right? Was it season 7? Anyway... yeah, it sort of had to be someone insignificant as a way for Carter to return to "normal" life after the whole addiction/stabbing thing. They couldn't just go ahead and throw the drama at us. - season 8... Susan Lewis? Well, older and blonde so check and check, but seriously, what was that? - season 9... Teh crAbby. And as a former Carby I'm not going to comment on that, because they DO have a lot of things in common. Messed up family, for one... but it does kind of feel now like Abby was simply using Carter's kindness... but then, Carter DID promise her he wouldn't ever leave her like everyone else in her life and then went off to AFRICA and then broke up with her BY SENDING HER A LETTER. Who does that? Anyway, they were both unperfect. And Kem... I didn't like Kem and I still don't really. I mean, I never saw any kind of chemistry there. But I was willing to suffer that to see Carter happy... yeah right. He should have stuck to the blonde formula! - Does anyone remember Wendell? Now if there was any relationship where Carter was a complete bastard and unlike himself in every imaginable way, it's this... I think the only purpose was to show us that he's still in love with Kem. Have I missed anyone?
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May 7, 2009 11:47:29 GMT -5
Post by claired80 on May 7, 2009 11:47:29 GMT -5
Oooookay! Let's dip in... ;D I'm sorry but I really couldn't stop wondering...what the hell? ??Sorry again... My answer to that is: Carter is just too good to be true... No woman can be good enough for him . I think that's why they let his love life open in the end. They couldn't find a good enough match. IMHO, Kem was really a good match: selfless, dedicated to her job, looking gorgeous, but for some reason, they decided to make her unreachable... My theory about that is that they didn't want to play "their love life is perfect but we cant' show it because we can't afford to get the actress", so they played "she's not around because they are in trouble... " And actually, the fact that he never got a good relationship with a woman makes the one relationship that's perfect stand out as really special ;D, and that one is with Benton! And that's not a bad thing... I think Carter was attracted to her because she was a former alcoholic, and that was it. There was a woman, attractive enough, apparently interested as he was in medicine, and with this common past... He needed to feel he wasn't a freak after his addiction and seeing someone having recovered was reassuring. If he hadn't spotted her at the AA meeting, I doubt he would have had any attraction... And I agree, it was absolutely disgusting how Abby always took as a given that either Luka or Carter would jump in her bed as soon as she was leaving the other... There's just "Shift Happens" on my tv, and Abby goes to Luka's, and makes this face full of "WTH?" when seeing that Gillian is with him. She really looks like she expected that she could just show up at Luka's door, right after Carter dumped her (or she dumped him rather.. her attitude in "Now what?" is worse than the letter in my eyes.. ), and Luka would jump in her arms. How arrogant is that? You know, I don't know who wrote many lines similarly selfish for Abby. She has so many moments of "what about me?" that I lost count... I don't know if it was intentional or if they didn't realize how egotistic it made her sound? She already started in S6 with "I was complaining about my day... " at DocMaggos' while the staff waits for news about Carter and Lucy. They could have made it like maybe she meant "and when I think I was just complaining with Carter on the rooftop before he got stabbed... " but no, just a line about herself. I really don't know if the writers realized what she was saying... Lol!!! I love your characterization ;D! Indeed! That at least gave us many adorable moments!! Mmmm.. you may have a point . I don't think it would have been so horrible to show Carter in that relationship. I really disliked Lucy, how she was introduced, and even her voice and her facial expressions I must say, so I guess I can say that I also disliked the actress... So I could easily understand that Noah didn't especially like working with her (maybe especially after working with Maria Bello... ). I have a vague memory of a comment by him sounding like he didn't appreciate her big time, but I can't really put my finger on it... Maybe he wasn't so happy on ER anymore during season 5: his good friend George was leaving, his main storyline (teaching to annoying Lucy) wasn't really rewarding... When he talked about S6 and the stabbing and addiction, he said several times that it was coming at a point where he didn't see what he could bring to the character anymore. Maybe the writers felt that it was high time to give him a good storyline if they wanted to keep him on the show .
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May 7, 2009 11:55:58 GMT -5
Post by spaceyume on May 7, 2009 11:55:58 GMT -5
Well analyse, Anna:) Thanks for pointing out some really significient details in the show like the Carter/Lucy talk and the fact that Carter and Abby are both from messed up families. Now I started to crack some twisted questions which have been bothered me for a long time! And since you said you are a former Carby I'm sorry if my post had offended you at some point. (god I was like"oops!" when I saw your post:P) Let me make up by adding another girl to this topic although nothing happened between she and Carter. Maggie, the cool girl, right? I remember Carter once asked her out in a MORE-THAN-FRIEND way, but she refused. Thank god they stopped this story line ASAP, but why even started??
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May 7, 2009 12:03:38 GMT -5
Post by darksparrow on May 7, 2009 12:03:38 GMT -5
Hey, spaceyume, don't worry about it- you didn't offend me at all. The whole point of having a board is to discuss things, and not everyone is going to agree 100%... and these days I'm pretty much ashamed of my carby origins... I'm in denial! but I was young and foolish, and all the butterfly talk seemed so romantic at the time. Thanks and you're welcome, that's what I do... Anyway, yes, Maggie Doyle... I like Jorja Fox on CSI, but her ER character started out cool and became annoying very quickly. I completely forgot about her! though she was never really a love interest, I do remember Carter asking her out once... and of course the scene at the shooting range where he finds out that she's gay is funny. Did they ever explain where she disappeared to, or was she Bobbed? And how about Chen? I LOVE that they never tried to make them anything more than friends. It really bugs me that we didn't get to see any Carter/Chen moments around the finale... they were pretty close.
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May 7, 2009 21:11:02 GMT -5
Post by spaceyume on May 7, 2009 21:11:02 GMT -5
And actually, the fact that he never got a good relationship with a woman makes the one relationship that's perfect stand out as really special ;D, and that one is with Benton! And that's not a bad thing... :DThat's true! Peter Benton. "Back off, ladies."(just kidding) The one who yelled "stop being a baby!" to Carter while treating him like a baby. The one who saw J. Carter on the board (after let's see, 6~7years) still came to check out (maybe immediately). I know there is no way to compare a mentor love with a romantic love, but with all the disappointment with the girls thank god we got Peter Benton...If Benton wasn't in the entire story, Carter would be totally screwed in most of his relationships, parents traveled too much, girlfriends never worked out, wife happened to be too fabulous for a TV show to afford...WTH? That makes sense:) It always feels to me that innocent as Carter is, there is a dark site in his heart. Maybe it's because his family issue like Anna said. Remember the beginning of the Season6 episode "Such Sweet Sorrow"? Carter couldn't sleep and went out to smoke a cigarette. That scene was heartbreaking. But it was also one of the most well-done scenes which showed us the bottom of his heart. It was the first time we saw Carter smoking. Dark, but quite understandable...(and beautiful in some way...) It's also reasonable that Carter was attracted to Abby who's a little dangerous to him. Plus it's true that many relationships can't be explained in real life. Maybe that's another part of ER's realistic.
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May 7, 2009 23:24:53 GMT -5
Post by darksparrow on May 7, 2009 23:24:53 GMT -5
LOL now that's funny. don't you just hate when that happens? ;D
Well put. I'm glad that he had at least Benton to stand by him. Because really he doesn't have anyone else left... The mere fact that Benton would even notice "J.Carter" on the board, and then go as far as to bother checking means a lot, but I bet he thought it'd be a quick "hey, how you doing... alright take care" visit. and I love that only after Benton realized that Carter would, in fact, have to go through the transplant alone, he made the decision to "stick around". It's so very much Benton (the only times he really gave any thought to Carter was when Carter's in distress... talk about his knight in shining armour!) and yet it shows a great character development on Benton's side... that he can get past his proud grumpiness and do the right thing.
I'm telling you, if Benton was blonde, it'd all work out. *sigh*
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May 8, 2009 2:04:05 GMT -5
Post by spaceyume on May 8, 2009 2:04:05 GMT -5
I'm telling you, if Benton was blonde, it'd all work out. *sigh* LOL! Totally! But I have to stop picturing it! Speaking of Peter Benton, there is too much chemistry between him and Carter. One scene they used in the retrospect(season1, Carter/Benton eye contact) is typical of dozens. And every time Benton shouts, "CARTER!!!" "Where the hell is Carter?" "Carter! Hurry Up!" while our boy is late or making out with girls or sleeping, it was really sweet(and kind of cute...). Jeanie, "I think Peter Benton can get through just about anything." Benton, " He used to think so (until he met John Carter)." ;D
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May 8, 2009 3:27:28 GMT -5
Post by janet on May 8, 2009 3:27:28 GMT -5
Hi "relationship" fans.I agree with most of your chat. I think the woman who had been married to Carter's cousin and had breast cancer was called Elane and I rather liked her. I certainly liked the scenes Noah did with her. Also, as I've said many times before I wish he had finally got it together with Anna, because the best chemistry I ever saw was between Noah and Mario Bello. Kem made a lot of sense. I had problems with Thandie Newton's acting. She often seemed shrill rather than really moved, so I got annoyed with her when a less stiff performance might have made her more sympathetic. For the first 4 series they played Carter mostly for laughs , so the relationships aren't meant to be taken that seriously and I went along with that.
No real comment on Carby, except to agree with you all. She didn't really love him and I don't think Carter ever understood her and in the end the writers didn't know how to get out of this on/off relationship they had set up ... Hence the "Dear Abby " letter, not Carter's finest hour. Wendell ..... who cares?
So, Benton remains. Last night I saw that epi again --- "Old Times". It was on UK TV. Yes Benton really cared . It was so , so touching. Yes that was always the best "ship"
But Carter was too sweet to be alone. Girls you don't know what you missed.
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May 8, 2009 4:20:35 GMT -5
Post by claired80 on May 8, 2009 4:20:35 GMT -5
Elaine I'm pretty sure. And I agree about their scenes together. And getting a bit shallow, they have one love scene, right after Carter learnt she has breast cancer but she's not yet aware that he knows, and she realizes it in the middle of their love making and asks him to leave (poor Carter... cold shower needed...). You just see their shadows during all the scene, Carter's profile, I found it absolutely gorgeous... And on the s6 DVD, there's one cut scene, of them making out outside (I'd say it takes place around the building where she is at a charity event I think, and he comes pick her up after, as a surprise... I think it's in the first episode where we see them together), and she almost rips his shirt off, it's really quite something...
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May 8, 2009 4:29:07 GMT -5
Post by darksparrow on May 8, 2009 4:29:07 GMT -5
Yeah, that's right- Elaine! it was potentially a really good storyline but they never really explored it as much as they should have, IMO. Yeah, Noah had some good scenes with her. And I'm not even thinking about the silhouette love scene (which is still... wow...). There's a scene where Carter shows up on her doorstep after she'd turned him down and it's just... *sticks head in bucket of ice cold water* there. Better. Whoa, no way. I demand proof... you can't just tease us with a description like that and not post the scene!
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May 8, 2009 4:42:07 GMT -5
Post by spaceyume on May 8, 2009 4:42:07 GMT -5
And how about Chen? I LOVE that they never tried to make them anything more than friends. It really bugs me that we didn't get to see any Carter/Chen moments around the finale... they were pretty close. Same here! I'm so grateful that they didn't ruin this friendship by turning it to another twisted romance. I like Chen and her friendship with Carter. Do you guys remember this scene? Season 8, some guy sent Chen flowers and asked Chen out. Chen was hesitating, Carter was eating right behind her. He helped her out by making up an excuse for Chen but that guy was still trying to date her. Then Carter KICKED Chen in her back That was really cute! And I love how Carter supported Chen during her delivery. Sweet relationship.
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May 8, 2009 5:02:24 GMT -5
Post by claired80 on May 8, 2009 5:02:24 GMT -5
Here you go! ;D and yay!!! I've finally found a way to make clips from a dvd ;D (free...) For Mac users: handbrake.fr/. I love this software!!! Oh the possibilities now!!! ...
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May 8, 2009 5:27:14 GMT -5
Post by Raffy on May 8, 2009 5:27:14 GMT -5
Just two words: smoking hot
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