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Post by claired80 on Mar 28, 2009 6:03:35 GMT -5
It's really frustrating right now for me 'cause I can't really watch any of these , but I could get quick glimpses. Thanks for all!!! ;D In the little bits I saw, I don't find Carter so 'sad'. Pensive for sure, but not sure he looks sad. It'll me a moving time for him, opening a center named after his son, seeing back people who were important for him, having had his life changed big time by renal failure and now a transplant, I think he has a thousand reasons to look pensive... I have no idea where they are going with Kem though . And Noah looks really great. I agree with you Raffy, they finally dressed him well .
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Post by helenhuntrocks on Mar 28, 2009 8:20:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the clips everyone!
I agree that Carter looks pensive and sad in those clips. However, didn't he look sad and pensive in the Carter Est Ameroux clips too???
I wasn't following the spoilers closely then, but I thought that the only sneak peaks that we got at that point were of the 'fight' outside the hospital and his disappointed look in the taxi back to the airport.
So this may turn out to be the same thing where the clips don't really show the outcome. ;D
However if Carter ends up alone or meeting someone new at the end, and I know this won't be popular, I don't think that Wells deserves all of the blame for that storyline. Wyle came back for that. He has already gone on camera stating that he had the ability to influence the end so he is partly to blame for a sad failed relationship Carter.
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Post by Raffy on Mar 28, 2009 10:15:39 GMT -5
Noah Wyle is not a producer. He's not a writer and he's not playing Kem. Even when he tried to influence the end he never got "exaclty" what he wanted. He didn't want a story between Lucy and Carter but he had to accept what happened in the exam room. He didn't want Carter losing his son but they killed him. And I want to remember you that at this time he still had contractual power. But now that ER is ending I suppose TPTB don't care about their cast or their whishes anymore. I don't blame anyone. I just criticize Wells's writing for Carter because it seems that he couldn't write the character happy. And if I read another thing like this about Noah who's just the actor who plays Carter I'll got really angry. Would you put the blame on Thandie Newton too?
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Post by darksparrow on Mar 28, 2009 11:23:09 GMT -5
Yikes, I go away for a couple of days and the internet explodes with spoilers! Anyway... it'll take me a while to go through all the clips and articles but for now, let me just say: 1. CARTER/BENTON HUG. Oh man. It doesn't take much to make me happy. 2. I don't think I'm going to base my judgement on this episode on whether Carter and Kem end up together. Sure thing, I want to see him happy at the end, but I don't want to go into it thinking "if they split them up then I'll hate the episode and the show forever" because that's just not true. I think Carter can still have a good ending even without Kem (and this is where it comes out how much I never really liked her as a match for Carter in the first place...) Anyway, it doesn't look promising from the pictures and the promos, but at this point, I'd settle for any storyline that makes some sort of sense with a bit of continuity, thankyouverymuch.
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Post by Raffy on Mar 28, 2009 11:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by Raffy on Mar 28, 2009 11:41:06 GMT -5
Oh my God, I can't post a thing that I have to post another one!
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Post by darksparrow on Mar 28, 2009 13:14:08 GMT -5
Oh dear lord, if he says that thing about ER being an amazing and life changing experience and being able to craft the final chapter in it again, in these exact words, I might have to take extreme measures. But hey, if he's happy with the way Carter is left off, then I'm happy. I can't imagine they'll make Carter pensive and sad in the episode if they didn't have a point- they have to be going somewhere with this. I know, it's dangerous to give the writers of ER any credit whatsoever, but I say we should trust them (and Noah) on this one. And on a different note, has anyone seen this week's episode? Anything interesting at all going on there, or just another filler episode?
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Post by Raffy on Mar 28, 2009 13:30:02 GMT -5
Me toooo!!! When he loves a sentence he really overused it! Nope. But it seems that it was better than the previous one. Well, you know, I love Noah and Carter and until the character is alive, still working and he seems to be ok about everything...well, I think I'll take what they'll give me even if it won't be perfect.
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Post by Raffy on Mar 28, 2009 17:01:07 GMT -5
From TV Guide Keck Gets Into the ER Scene March 27, 2009 03:50 PM EST I was invited to pose as a bar patron with much of ER’s original cast during the March 12 taping of the show’s April 2 two-hour finale. In the scene, Drs. Carter (Wyle), Benton (LaSalle), Lewis (Stringfield) and Weaver (Innes) are reunited with Dr. Corday (Alex Kingston), who has brought with her Rachel Greene (Hallee Hirsh)—the 21-year-old pre-med progeny of their deceased colleague, Dr. Mark Greene. But it was the conversations and jokes that happened between shoots that were most fun to listen in on. In the years since he left ER, La Salle has become a seasoned director, so he naturally couldn’t resist offering blocking advice to the finale’s director, Rod Holcomb, who helmed ER’s very first episode back in 1994. But La Salle has lightened up considerably since his days as a series regular. During a rehearsal, La Salle opened his arms to Kingston and said, “Come to daddy.” The veteran stars had fun with Hirsh, a wide-eyed Shirley Temple doppelganger who first began playing Rachel at age 13. When a hairstylist comes to adjust one of her flyaway curls, Wyle, advised her, “If it happens again, just wave your hands and start singing ‘The Good Ship Lollipop.” During the dinner break—at their old watering hole just across from the studio—the five vets toasted the finale and played drinking games. “We did that thing where you have to look into each person’s eyes and toast them,” Innes said. “If you don’t, it means you’ll have bad sex for six years.” Kingston explained, “We’re being naughty because we’re so relaxed with one another.” Their last group scene finds the docs on a Chicago street, winding down from their thingytails. Dr. Weaver turns to her friends and says, “So… stay in touch?” “Sure,” shrugs Carter. It is a promise the actors are committed to as well. “We all have each others’ numbers,” said, Stringfield, promising to “make that extra effort.” “We’re making jokes that we’ll do a TV Land reunion in fifty years,” said Innes. “In our walkers.” “Yeah,” Stringfield added. “And dentures!” www.tvguidemagazine.com/what-the-keck/keck-gets-into-the-er-scene-456.html
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Post by helenhuntrocks on Mar 29, 2009 5:32:43 GMT -5
I would sympathize with your anger, IF Wyle was the one going around in multiple interviews (Tavis Smiley, Ellen, ) stating that HE HELPED craft the character's final ending. Newton is just a guest star. But both WELLS AND WYLE have made it abundently clear that the Wyle has a lot of input in certain storylines. Something tells me that Wyle didn't mind this ending - it's kind of like saying to the world that you "can't have it all".
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Post by Raffy on Mar 29, 2009 5:49:04 GMT -5
I don't care if you sympathize or not. And I don't care about crazy theories about who has to be blame if "their" ship doesn't work. Carby era was enough for me and I don't want to start another stupid war here about this matter, and seeing that this is a Noah Wyle fan board, if you're not a Noah fan, and I think that's the case, I could suggest you to find a ship board where you could bash everyone you want. And do you want to know a another thing? I've watched this show for 15 years. I got beautiful storylines and beautiful acting from Noah. And even if the character is going to be alone at the end I don't care until he's there. Because even alone this character is one of the best TV characters, plaied by one of the best TV actors. So thank you Noah and thank you ER.
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Post by helenhuntrocks on Mar 29, 2009 7:02:27 GMT -5
I don't care if you sympathize or not. And I don't care about crazy theories about who has to be blame if "their" ship doesn't work. Carby era was enough for me and I don't want to start antother stupid war here about this matter, and seeing that this is a Noah Wyle fan board, if you're not a Noah fan, and I think that's the case, I could suggest you to find a ship board where you could bash everyone you want. If you'd stop hyperventilating in your rage long enough to read and comprehend, then you'd see that I simply said that Wyle is also responsible for this storyline. That's not bashing him. Obviously, this is something HE wanted. If you were the fan that you think you are, then you wouldn't be so angry for anyone suggesting that HE had something to do with this storyline. Right. So if this is what Wyle helped craft an ending where he is the only character without a partner and children - and Wyle says on many occassions that he did help craft this ending - then why would you be angry at Wells??? I went back reread the transcript for the Tavis Smiley interview. Wyle said that he thought of his character as being Shakespearean like King Henry IV. It's an odd set of quotes, because it sounds like Wyle is referring to the character King Henry IV but Henry IV didn't spend his time among the 'lower' classes. So, it sounds more like he's talking about Hal, King Henry IV's son who appears in Henry IV Part I and II and whome Henry IV regards as worthless because Hal spends his time among "vagabonds and theives". So if Wyle is talking about Carter being like Hal, then Henry V is probably the play that they were going for in terms of the ending. In Henry V, Hal gets his kingdom and conquers France thereby bringing a peace (albeit brief) between the 2 countries, and is surrounded by his friends. It's an interesting way to end his character's arc... I wonder if Well's has penned his version of a "St. Crispin's Day" speech. ;D
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Post by Raffy on Mar 29, 2009 7:39:47 GMT -5
I'm not hyperventilating, but thank you for caring.
Responsible of what? Why are we talking about responsabilities here? It's a TV show not the economic crisis.
I'm get angry when someone suggests that an actor has to blamed for a d**n stupid TV storyline. And they do this on his fan board.
First of all Carter's finale is not all about partner and children. Of course I'd love to see the character with a family but fortunally the character was and is more than that. Carter came back with kidney failure: maybe Noah helped with this storyline? Carter came back to County.....maybe Noah helped with this storyline? Carter opened the Carter Center and all his friend show up for him? Maybe Noah helped with that? We DON'T konw. Because, let's face it, he's not the writer. But if he helped good for him because the storyline of those last episodes was good. As I said I don't BLAME Wells. I criticized his work with Carter if he couldn't (and we still don't know) write him happy in the end as for his private life. And I based my opinion on what he WROTE and could write. I couldn't say the same for an actor because he's just an actor and he just plays the character. Surely Noah or anyone else doesn't have the power to write by themself their script. Helping is not writing. Noah has been on the show for 15 years and even if sometimes he plaied a "part" on writing a storyline it has no sense pointing out that he was the one who didn't want Carter and Kem togheter, simply because we didn't know it! Holy crap, I can't count how many time he said that he wanted Carter and Kem riunited.
How do you know that's something he WANTED? Obviously you don't know it for sure, until you are Noah or a producer, so affirming that like it's the truth... well, it's bashing. And let me know I don't need lessons about being or not being a fan from you.
But I still don't know if you are or you're not a fan. Are you a Noah fan?
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Post by helenhuntrocks on Mar 29, 2009 7:53:46 GMT -5
Well, I like to think of actors as more than just dumb animated mannequins that only mouth the words given to them, but if you choose to think of them in only that way, then whatever.
Wyle has, on several occassions, stated that he had a hand in this storyline.
Now apparently, you think that it's a "stupid" storyline and you may well be right, but Wyle STILL HELPED craft it.
Unfortunately, I modified my post after you made this one so I apologize for not stating the following earlier, but Wyle said that he thought of his character as being like a King Henry IV.
I think that his statement is a bit odd and that he meant to say Hal from King Henry IV parts i and ii because that character comes from a privledged background but chooses to learn about his people by living with commoners.
And there are many parallels between Hal who goes on to become King Henry V and Carter.
So I think that Wyle was given a greater opportunity than most actors, especially towards the end of the show, to help write his character's story.
That's good. I don't think of Wyle as a being a stupid man.
I think that he is highly intelligent and it's nice to know that he's putting it to use.
As to whether I'm a fan of Wyle. I would say that I'm a fan, but I am most certainly not a fanatic. ;D
Wyle is human and like all humans he makes mistakes.
I think that if this is the way that he is happiest ending it, with him being without a family or wife but surrounded by friends, then the Kem storyline was sensationlistic crap that he and Wells could have ommited. If not in Season 10, then certainly in Season 11 because you didn't need a Kem arc to have Carter leave the show. He could have simply left so that he could continue his work in the Congo.
That's the only real mistake that I see in character's arc. Everything else was pretty good, imo.
P.S.
I think you asked me earlier if I blame Newton for part of this storyline.
I know that as a guest star she had less control than Wyle, however I think that I read somewhere that her agent told her not to do TV and Newton decided to do this role anyway and it turned out to be a throwaway role.
That's not a good place for an actress that is trying to cement her role on the A-list to be so yeah I blame her because she should listen to her agent next time. ;D
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Post by Raffy on Mar 29, 2009 8:20:32 GMT -5
Dear, I never told that I think actors are just dumb animated mannequins. But if you think that putting your words in my mouth could feel you better, well. I precise. It's stupid to start a polemic about Carter and Kem being togheter (which it's a stupid thing in comparision with more serious things) and trying someone to blame for it. But, you know, everything we're talking about is stupid. Even talking about Noah is stupid in comparision with more serious things. But until it's funny and everyone has fun it's ok. I didn't open this board to arguing with you. That's not the NU, it's just a fan board. People here are all smart but even smart people when have to talk about stupid things, well they know it and try to relax. Well, people are always fanatic about something. Probably we're not fanatic about the same things. Did anyone say the contrary? If someone doesn't agree with you it doesen't mean they're fanatic or think an actor is God. In this case I totaly desagree with you. If you don't like a storyline you should direct your critcism mainly on the writers. On contrary it seems that you think the writers are just dumb mannequins animated by actors and producers.
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