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Post by darksparrow on Apr 26, 2010 13:20:42 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I'm sure we won't. And that's totally fine by me...
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Post by Raffy on Apr 26, 2010 16:10:19 GMT -5
It's totaly fine by me too. Noah doesn't seem a twitter or facebook type....but never say never, maybe he's already twitting with a false name Anyway nowadays almost everyone has a twitter account.... even Tom Hanks so it's not a big deal at all! ;D
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Post by darksparrow on Apr 29, 2010 8:45:26 GMT -5
I believe this means I have too much free time again, but since there are really no news, rewatching old episodes of ER is really the only way to get my Noah fix these days. So anyway, I was watching "Beyond Repair" (fast forwarding through 70% of the scenes as ususal, you know) and it occured to me once again how brilliant the "Carter sees Sobriki again for the first time after the stabbing" scene is. In case you forgot, this is the one-
Now it's a great scene and all, and it's one of the best examples of perfect acting that I've ever seen from Noah. I just don't understand how he can have such total control of his face. I'm talking about the little twitch of the lip there. In case you missed it, watch minute 0:36 to 0:41 again. See it? Alright, I admit, I've seen too many episodes of "Lie to Me" and I pay way too much attention to people's micro-expressions, but that right there is the best fake barely concealed rage that I've ever seen. And that sort of disgusted/angry snarl/twitch is the EXACT reason why I can rewatch scenes like this one over and over again and just be completely blown away. Am I allowed to be in love with this guy's talent?
(and also really, really, REALLY want to see that talent displayed already in, say, I dunno, a certain ALIEN PROJECT?)
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Post by Raffy on Apr 29, 2010 9:34:23 GMT -5
I know what you mean, Anna! With almost zero dialogue this guy can do so great things and I suppose Spielberg was looking exactly for someone who was able to say a lot even without words.... Could we have a date or/and a title at least, Mr Spielberg? ?
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Post by claired80 on Apr 29, 2010 9:43:12 GMT -5
Mon dieu, don't get me started with that scene! ;D I don't know how many times I re-watched it, and if I didn't see it in, let's say, a month, it totally blows me away again too... That clip just has the very beginning missing, too bad... That's an amazing part too! Just how you see his face freezing while still watching at the chart, then double checking Abby quickly... and then this terrified glance (slight twist of the lip and swallowing hard like really Carter is getting nauseous... ) And his voice with saying "what is he doing here?". Gosh, yeah, how can he control his face AND his voice like that? It's totally allowed to fall in love with this guy's talent! I can't say I find the dialogue amazingly written there. Seriously, how can Sobriki, the first time he sees Carter again, tell him "it wasn't me who did this... you're a doctor, you know it's a disease"?... like he's trying to find an excuse? Writers could really have found better things to put in his mouth... But the scene is totally saved by Noah, by his voice and face, by how Carter stares and talks to everybody around except Paul, before finally daring to talk directly to him... And what a waste of an episode so centered on Abby (poor thing has a bad birthday... Oh yeah, that's so much worse than Sobriki's day, being brought back there, than Carter's, having to see Sobriki, than that poor woman who died of a brain aneurism, than her son left alone in the ER... ) But that scene makes the full episode still worth it ;D. I wish I knew what Carter did with the letter that Samantha Sobriki gave to Abby. How long did it stay in his locker? Did he even open it? And I must say I resent Abby also for putting it in his locker while it's clear he doesn't want to touch it then... I think maybe that episode started my disliking the character
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Post by darksparrow on Apr 29, 2010 10:10:42 GMT -5
Claire, you're right. Here's the full clip of the scene, I don't think it existed on youtube before. Well, I hate to stick up for the writers, but in a situation like this, what is he SUPPOSED to say? "Sorry I almost killed you?" I mean, he wouldn't know just how much damage he caused, but even if the stabbing hadn't had any consequences, there is no way to apologize for something like that. And in a way, it's true that it wasn't his fault. It IS a disease. Carter WOULD know that. If Sobriki didn't really believe it wasn't completely his fault, he wouldn't be able to go on with his life. Plus if he's really afraid that Carter might hurt him (and it seems like he should be, because Carter looks like he's about to throttle him), it makes sense that he'd try to appeal to Carter's logical "doctor" side. Either that or we're thinking about it way more than the writers did. It is. And I noticed it too- he's talking to Abby, to Paul's wife... anyone but Paul, until the realization hits him that Paul must have been released. Man, I cannot imagine the strength it takes to actually address who ruined your life. I think that was a brilliant touch, actually. A lot of the scene was brilliant, and I guess most of it was scripted-- the glance behind the shoulder (some PTSD leftovers), him looking completely in trance... But it's the little unscripted touches- the trembling, the tiny grimaces, the inability to speak, the way his voice sounds when he does, and the look in his eyes--- that's what really sells this scene. I'm very curious about the letter, too. Is it something that Sobriki wrote? Maybe during the years in therapy? Is it something from his wife? After all, Carter DID see her back in season 6, so she might feel the need to explain things to him... there is SUCH a potential there, I wish they'd have explored it. Or at least I wish I could write, so I'd write a fanfiction story about it. And I don't know if putting the letter in his locker was that horrible--- I mean... He wasn't going to take it, not right there, but it's better for him that he read it eventually. You want to talk about selfish? Abby was nothing in this episode compared to Susan, who is SUPPOSED to be dating Carter, but shows no real concern whatsoever. Obviously Abby would be more affected by the stabbing because she was around at the time... But Susan just left for a hockey game without even checking in on Carter, KNOWING it was a touchy situation with Sobriki? I don't buy that at all. And a tiny irrelevant question: how could Abby recognize Paul's wife on sight? She never met her in AITF, did she?
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Post by Raffy on Apr 29, 2010 10:27:10 GMT -5
Can we say that it was written "on purpose"? Message: Abby cared more than Susan because Abby is the "right one". Abby had an horrible day and Carter too and it means they're meant to be.... depressing Orman wrote this episode and we know he was a "carby" fan and it showed. Nothing could happen to Carter that wasn't connected somehow to Abby.
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Post by claired80 on Apr 29, 2010 10:35:49 GMT -5
Claire, you're right. Here's the full clip of the scene, I don't think it existed on youtube before. Thanks for the full scene! ;D Not a bad thing to stick up for them... They actually gave us all in all a fantastic show and an amazing character ;D. I totally understand that, and I imagine it's something he discussed with his doctors. I just find that Carter (or Lucy's relatives) is quite the last person he should tell that to... Carter is a doctor indeed, and knows it's a disease, and that's part of what destroyed him. He knew he should have seen it... If it's quite true that it wasn't Sobriki who stabbed them (not the real person disease-free at least...), it's also quite true that it's Carter who kept going with the LP while the guy was frantic. All in all, it's not so badly written, you're right, and what Sobriki says indeed can be related to how angry Carter looks. It also makes sense that Sobriki wants to reassure him that 'he is okay now' and won't arm anyone else. But the way the speech is delivered, too fast, feels weird to me... I imagine Sobriki should be as speechless as Carter. But that would probably make a weird scene ... Could that really be? We are hardly thinking about it... Oh yeah... That's not good writing! What the hell was that? Actually, though it was a beautiful scene by the pool at the end of "If I should fall... ", she shows a bit the same kind of reaction... Maybe a way by the writers to show that the ones who weren't around can't relate to it. Very good point . And actually, she recognizes Sobriki a bit fast too. She just saw him being brought on the gurney as far as we know, and not looking like the cleanly shaved guy he is in Beyond Repair... ETA: I forgot before... "Lie to me" starts in France tonight, and the trailer looked interesting (and I really like Tim Roth) so I was thinking about watching . You got me even more interested now! But maybe I should rather try to find it in english... And random comment: funny how some "feature films" actors are now getting TV series (Tim Roth, Chris O'Donnell... )
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Post by darksparrow on Apr 29, 2010 13:49:18 GMT -5
That's possible, but I really hope that's not where they were going with this. It seemed to me more like an "everyone's having a crappy day... ESPECIALLY Abby" typical ER episode than an attempt to demonstrate how Carter and Abby are a perfect match. Youtube already noticed that the scene is copyrighted... Which is probably why it wasn't on youtube in the first place. HOW do they catch that? I didn't use any titles, any keywords... That's true, and we know that, but Sobriki couldn't possibly know that part. Just like he has no way of knowing that Carter is the kind of person who would feel responsible for something that wasn't actually anyone's fault, because he doesn't know Carter, he doesn't know that Carter blames himself, he doesn't know that he's touching a sore point. So the way I see it, from Sobriki's point of view, Carter would only blame him, but he isn't really responsible because he was sick, so that makes everything okay. In that sense he's also a victim of his disease, and for him, the way to "get over" something like that is to accept that he had no control over what happened. Or at least, that's what I think. And if you follow that line of thought, it's natural that he wouldn't even consider how a sentence like "you're a doctor, you know it's a disease" might be interpreted. It seems to me he was speaking in self-defense, which makes me sure he was just scared and wanting to close that chapter in his life without getting into a fight. I just imagined the scene... both of them just staring at each other for three minutes with dramatic music in the background... That would be great weird television! Anyway, yeah, I know what you mean. It was too fast, and felt almost automatic and insincere. But shock will do that to you, as will fear. Exactly! I didn't think about that. That sounds right. That, and they were just really really sloppy in writing Susan. Oh, Lie To Me is good. The concept is pretty original, and the psychology is mostly convincing (and, as far as psychology can be, pretty well established). Some of the tools and tricks they use are actually employed by psychologists and criminal experts, so that's nice. Of course it has all the flaws of a TV show, and sometimes it's just TOO easy and predictable, but it's different enough to be interesting. Plus, Tim Roth is adorable, and the characters in general are likable. And at some point Mekhi Phifer joins the cast- which is strange because he's always be Pratt to me, but he's really good! If the French version is dubbed, that ruins half the fun, because a lot of lie detection relies on voice and pitch... So watching it in English is better. I do have to warn you though, Tim's English accent is very very pronounced, and his diction is absolutely horrible. I can only understand every third word he says- he speaks like he has a mouthfull of cotton balls! It starts in Israel next week and I have to tell you, I'm definitely looking forward to watching it with subtitles. ;D
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Post by Raffy on May 8, 2010 12:37:58 GMT -5
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Post by Claudia on May 11, 2010 1:41:24 GMT -5
William H. Macy ETA: I'm sorry to have I missed all the intensive ER-talk. But I hope to re-join it anytime soon.
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Post by Raffy on May 11, 2010 2:47:18 GMT -5
Thanks Claudia! ETA: We miss you!
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Post by claired80 on May 11, 2010 3:03:48 GMT -5
Thanks Claudia! ;D Parminder Nagra (though quite new to it... ) and Scott Grimes seem by far to be the most active from this list .
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Post by msnoah88 on May 12, 2010 3:28:55 GMT -5
Anyway nowadays almost everyone has a twitter account.... even Tom Hanks so it's not a big deal at all! ;D haha.. so i have something in common with noah ^^
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Post by Lynn on May 13, 2010 17:20:01 GMT -5
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